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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Apr 29, 2013 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes - Bob fall down

If we've learned anything from the movies it is that if someone collapses onstage, the show stops. The only thing missing was the guy yelling "is there a doctor in the house?"

No-one suggests that they should stop the show. But really, would anyone even be talking about this if they had stopped the song, or even turned an 11 minute jam into a 3-minute one just this once? Or if they hadn't propped Bobby up in a chair and allowed him to stay there for almost 10 minutes looking like he was gonna pass out again? How could anyone in the crowd who was paying attention have enjoyed that?

I showed the video to a doctor friend of mine and she was appalled. She said that the way he was leaning and fell was exactly how a stroke might look. She also said that even if Bobby was drunk, there is no way that anyone could tell just by looking at him that this was not a stroke.

I have seen Furthur a dozen times or so. I absolutely appreciate the song lists. I've seen songs I never saw the Grateful Dead play. The shows are also a ton of fun because of the atmosphere and the Deadheads and seeing old friends and that's why I have returned.

If their policy is that if someone collapses on stage, we will act as if nothing happened because finishing a song is more important: then let me state right now that I will never attend another Furthur (or P&F) show again.

These guys have always talked as if this was more than just a band or profit making venture, that there was something deeper and that it was more like a family.
This is not how a "family" reacts, it's how a corporation reacts and I will not support an organization that won't even interrupt a song to make sure that their "brother" was ok.


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Poster: august_wst Date: Apr 29, 2013 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes - Bob fall down

Which is the end is more telling than anything. Why?

1. They is little reaction from the band, as if it is not that surprising.
2. There is no formal announcement by the band afterwards about what happened, which you know they would do if there was a real health scare going on.
3. That we all have way too much time on our hands to still be talking about it! :-)

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 30, 2013 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes - Bob fall down

"1. There is little reaction from the band, as if it is not that surprising."
Either not surprising, or they realize that crew members are already with Bobby. If the situation had been deemed serious by those attending to the "man down", do you really think anyone would've continued playing? I'd like to think not.

"2. There is no formal announcement by the band afterwards about what happened, which you know they would do if there was a real health scare going on."
You'd think it would be so, but Bobby's behavior is becoming more a pattern that an isolated incident. Maybe there are issues that need to be addressed privately, but at least let the fans know something is going on. Didn't the band formerly refer to fans as members of the "Grateful Dead Family"?

"3. That we all have way too much time on our hands to still be talking about it!"
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 29, 2013 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes - Bob fall down

Hey PG, obviously we see this in similar light, nonetheless, I was glad you described having the same impression I have of them having presented this in a particular fashion over the yrs (eg, I have many friends that describe it just as you do: band mates happily doing what their creative spirits require, etc., etc.).

It is more and more looking like one of those sad "end of career" scenarios where the boxer/singer/sports hero is being manipulated and exploited by manager/spouse/relatives to milk every dime out of their "label/image/etc" before they die (or maybe as they do). Don't get me wrong, I imagine Bob is actually driving himself, but the motivation is sick rather than healthy, and that's no biggie at another level...just like me compulsively dragging my broken-down ass onto the bball court yr after yr until I couldn't, literally, and I have been paying for it ever since.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 29, 2013 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes - Bob fall down

Exactly.

I'm pretty forgiving about human failings and "whoops" moments and screw-ups. So the reaction wasn't ideal at first; OK, they made a mistake. We don't know what the lead-up was, the context, the people involved, the emotions, etc. All that's a given.

But ... IF a senior citizen is drunk and/or screwed up on meds and falls down, how could that NOT also be a stroke? Hello?

And even if that doesn't cross anyone's mind, then still ... not shortening the jam?!? Um, yeah, it's great the UB has a nice jam section, but seriously, are we supposed to believe they're all "into the jam" while Bob is providing comic relief to the side? What is the jam, music or A Big Distraction?

And even if THAT was a bad decision on the moment that can be forgiven because, oh, gosh, I dunno, they were trying to keep the vibes good or whatever the heck Phil was thinking (and Phil was in the driver's seat), then the lack of a statement later ... I really cannot think of a single excuse for that, and sheesh, I'm pretty good at finding excuses. But it's just utterly corporate.

And bad corporate, too. Bad corporate unaware of the 21st century. With social media, you need to put something out or you look like crap. Phil's son (Grahame?) works in social media. I don't know what he does for Adobe, but presumably he's just one of many people around that band who ought to have at least a dim sense of how to handle this with a modicum of grace, savvy, a little humor and/or humility, and apparent respect for the fans.

You know. The old Jerry style.

Which they didn't do.

So they didn't react with good old hippie values, and they didn't react with 21st century social media savvy. Just stonewalled it. I guess Phil hugged Bob or something at AC afterwards and made a victory motion. That's nice, but it's not what a "family band" with a "family of fans" does in the 21st century.



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2013-04-30 02:52:14